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	<title>Comments on: Social Media Engineering??</title>
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		<title>By: New Feature: Friday Link Love @ ProStylus: The Blog</title>
		<link>http://ventajamarketing.com/writingblog/2009/07/social-media-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
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		<description>[...] John White took an interesting take on how to pitch social media to engineering companies. He gets extra points for patiently tolerating my insistent prodding, in the comments section. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John White took an interesting take on how to pitch social media to engineering companies. He gets extra points for patiently tolerating my insistent prodding, in the comments section. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McCarthy</title>
		<link>http://ventajamarketing.com/writingblog/2009/07/social-media-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken, John, on the engineers vs engineering companies distinction.

I also see your point that the term &quot;social media&quot; needs to be translated into something engineering firms can get behind. But rather than &quot;SocMed Engineering,&quot; I think a term like &quot;SocMed Platforming&quot; would resonate better.

&quot;Platforming&quot; is a more concrete term that implies something needs building and problems need solving. Just the sort of thing that gets engineering firms&#039; attention. 

Plus, &quot;platforming&quot; intrinsically helps to distinguish public platforms like Twitter from dedicated, embedded SocMed platforms that need engineering expertise to design and build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, John, on the engineers vs engineering companies distinction.</p>
<p>I also see your point that the term &#8220;social media&#8221; needs to be translated into something engineering firms can get behind. But rather than &#8220;SocMed Engineering,&#8221; I think a term like &#8220;SocMed Platforming&#8221; would resonate better.</p>
<p>&#8220;Platforming&#8221; is a more concrete term that implies something needs building and problems need solving. Just the sort of thing that gets engineering firms&#8217; attention. </p>
<p>Plus, &#8220;platforming&#8221; intrinsically helps to distinguish public platforms like Twitter from dedicated, embedded SocMed platforms that need engineering expertise to design and build.</p>
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		<title>By: John White</title>
		<link>http://ventajamarketing.com/writingblog/2009/07/social-media-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>John White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. My point wasn&#039;t that /engineers/ would be (or would not be) the last to get it; my point was about /engineering companies/. Such companies demonstrate more appreciation for innovation than for customer engagement on the broad scale that socmed technologies nurture.

I&#039;ll take your company-controlled, dedicated listserve, if it has some kind of release valve for attracting and engaging new customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. My point wasn&#8217;t that /engineers/ would be (or would not be) the last to get it; my point was about /engineering companies/. Such companies demonstrate more appreciation for innovation than for customer engagement on the broad scale that socmed technologies nurture.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take your company-controlled, dedicated listserve, if it has some kind of release valve for attracting and engaging new customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McCarthy</title>
		<link>http://ventajamarketing.com/writingblog/2009/07/social-media-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise an interesting topic, but I disagree with you and Michael on a number of fronts. The question isn&#039;t whether or not engineers &quot;get&quot; social media. The question is whether they should even be expected to.

For example, there appears to be an assumption that engineers at the companies you mention should be sharing perspective on public platforms like Twitter et al. Most engineers deal with proprietary black-box stuff that needs to be kept from the competition.

Second, I disagree that engineers don&#039;t get social media. They were the first to hop on the old listservs (remember them?). Then there&#039;s that whole thing called the open source movement for software etc. Ever wonder where all those Firefox and Wordpress features came from, or those apps for the iPhone?

Third, although I think social media has tremendous business value, I&#039;m not one of the people who believes everyone in the company should jump into the socmed pool. (CEOs, for example. But that&#039;s another blog post) Engineers, even friendly ones, are not terribly customer-centric. They think in terms of features, rather than benefits, for one thing. 

Fourth, engineers see right through labels (part of the reason they don&#039;t like the guys in marketing). Their bottom line is whether or not something works. So relabeling it &quot;social media engineering&quot; isn&#039;t going to gain much traction.

Instead, I&#039;d steer them toward a company-controlled, dedicated listserve that select customers and vendors can access if they have questions or suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise an interesting topic, but I disagree with you and Michael on a number of fronts. The question isn&#8217;t whether or not engineers &#8220;get&#8221; social media. The question is whether they should even be expected to.</p>
<p>For example, there appears to be an assumption that engineers at the companies you mention should be sharing perspective on public platforms like Twitter et al. Most engineers deal with proprietary black-box stuff that needs to be kept from the competition.</p>
<p>Second, I disagree that engineers don&#8217;t get social media. They were the first to hop on the old listservs (remember them?). Then there&#8217;s that whole thing called the open source movement for software etc. Ever wonder where all those Firefox and WordPress features came from, or those apps for the iPhone?</p>
<p>Third, although I think social media has tremendous business value, I&#8217;m not one of the people who believes everyone in the company should jump into the socmed pool. (CEOs, for example. But that&#8217;s another blog post) Engineers, even friendly ones, are not terribly customer-centric. They think in terms of features, rather than benefits, for one thing. </p>
<p>Fourth, engineers see right through labels (part of the reason they don&#8217;t like the guys in marketing). Their bottom line is whether or not something works. So relabeling it &#8220;social media engineering&#8221; isn&#8217;t going to gain much traction.</p>
<p>Instead, I&#8217;d steer them toward a company-controlled, dedicated listserve that select customers and vendors can access if they have questions or suggestions.</p>
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